Name: John
KELLY1
—————————————————————————————————————————————
Birth: abt
1832 Clifton, Bristol, Gloucester, England2
Baptism
LDS: Submitted
Endowment: Submitted
Seal
to Parents: Submitted
Occupation: laborer,
ironworker1
Father: John
KELLY (1806-)
Mother: Sarah
(1812-)
Marriage: 19
Apr 1857 Bristol Records Office, Bristol, England1,1,3
Sealing
Spouse: 22 Dec 2005 LOGAN
—————————————————————————————————————————————
Spouse: Rhoda
BOWHEY4
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Birth: 2
Aug 1838 Whittakers Buildings, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England5
Christen: 19
Aug 1838 St. James, Bristol, Gloucester, England2,6
Baptism
LDS: 1860 England
Endowment: 15
Apr 1865 EHOUS
Death: 1
Nov 1920 Tetonia, Teton County, Idaho7
Burial: 6
Nov 1920 Logan CIty Cemetery, Logan, Cache, Utah, USA7
Seal
to Parents: Apr 1980 LOGAN
Baptism
LDS: 11 Jan 2005 BOUNTI
Religion: LDS
Father: John
BOWHEY (1812-1846)
Mother: Sarah
RENNELS (1810-1889)
Other
spouses: Samuel HOLT
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Children
—————————————————————————————————————————————
1
M: John George KELLY8,9
Birth: 10
Dec 1858 Beaufort Hill, Beaufort, Breconshire, Wales9
Death: 15
Mar 1860 Boundary Street, Brynmawr, Breconshire, Wales8
Baptism
LDS: Infant
Endowment: Infant
Seal
to Parents: 18 Feb 2006
Cause
of death: Scarlatina, Bronchitis
—————————————————————————————————————————————
2
M: Robert Mathew KELLY9
Birth: 15
Feb 1861 Kings Street, Brynmawr, Breconshire, Wales
Death: 26
Feb 1861 Kings Street, Brynmawr, Breconshire, Wales
Baptism
LDS: Infant
Endowment: Infant
Seal
to Parents: 18 Feb 2006
Cause
of death: atrophy certified10
—————————————————————————————————————————————
3
M: James Hyrum KELLY9
Birth: 20
Dec 1862 Hatter Street, Brynmawr, Breconshire, Wales9
Death: child
Baptism
LDS: Child
Endowment: Child
Seal
to Parents: 18 Feb 2006 LOGAN
Notes
for John KELLY
Birth
is estimate from marriage cert and census. No baptism record in the
Gloucestershire baptism index.
No
matches in the 1881 or 1891 census.
_____________
Here’s
a good match for John also, but we don’t know for sure where he was born.
Name:
KELLY,
John
Record
Type:
Deaths
Age
at death:
39
Quarter:
March
Year:
1874
District:
Clifton
County:
Gloucestershire
Volume:
6a
Page:
115
(click to see others on page)
__________
_________
Might
be John in 1871:
Name:
John Kelly
Age:
37
Estimated
birth year: abt 1834
Relation:
Lodger
Household:
View other family members
Gender:
Male
Where
born: Bristol
Civil
Parish or Township: Llangunider
Ecclesiastical
parish: Beaufort
County/Island:
Breconshire
Country:
Wales
Source
information: RG10/5584
Registration
district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration
district: Llangunider
ED,
institution, or vessel: 4
Folio:
29
Page:
3 (click to see others on page)
Household
schedule number: 14
John Kelly abt 1834 Bristol Lodger Llangunider Breconshire
Edmund
Thomas abt 1817 Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llangunider
Breconshire
Elizabeth
Thomas abt 1817 Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llangunider
Breconshire
Margaret
Thomas abt 1851 Llangatock, Breconshire, Wales Daughter Llangunider
Breconshire
Mary
Thomas abt 1849 Llangatock, Breconshire, Wales Daughter Llangunider
Breconshire
Rachael
Thomas abt 1859 Llangatock, Breconshire, Wales Daughter Llangunider
Breconshire
Thomas
Thomas abt 1846 Llangatock, Breconshire, Wales Son Llangunider Breconshire
he
is listed as deaf and dumb, and listed as a “puddler” for occupation, and
widower.
The
deaf and dumb part makes me wonder if that is him or not. A puddler was Iron
worker operating a puddling or ball furnace where cast iron turned into wrought
iron and since Rhoda’s husband was an iron worker in the 1861 census, I think
that this might be him. Can’t find any other likely candidates in the whole
census, 1881, etc.
This
death age is very close:
Deaths
Jun 1871
Kelly
John 34 Llandovery 11a 510
Here’s
info about the district.:
Llandovery
Created
1st July 1837. Mainly in Carmarthenshire, but included part of Breconshire.
Sub-districts
: Cilncwm; Conwil-Cayo; Llanddausaint; Llandingat; Llanfairarybryn; Llangadock;
Llanwrtyd; Myddfai
GRO
volumes : XXVI (1837-51); 11a (1852-1930).
Above Sawthe, Cilycwm, Conwil-Cayo, Dyffron Cidrich, Forest, Llanddausaint,
Llandingat, Llandovery, Llanfairarybryn, Llangadoch, Llansadwrn, Llanwrda,
Lower Myddfai, Quarter-Bach (1837-82), Telych, Upper Myddfai, Ystrad.
It
looks as though it is about 30 miles or so from Crickhowell, so not out of the
question. The text reads” Eighteenth May 1871, Union Workhouse Llandovery, John
Kelly, male 34 years, general labourer Typhoid Fever, certified, reported by
JOhn Canton Master Union Workhouse. Llandovery. 19 May 1871. So age is off, but
if John died alone in the workhouse, and was deaf and dumb, or at least had
speaking problems, the age difference might be explained. Not really enough to
prove or disprove.
The
LDS Ward records which list a Rhoda and John Kelly in Tredegar Wales, give his
occupation as fireman. There were several meanings for “fireman”, one of those
meanings is for someone who operates a furnace.
_________only
two John Kellys in the 1841 census of Gloucestershire, and one lives at Avon
Square.
KELLEY
JOHN M 3 GLOUCESTERSHIRE FRANCIS COURT BRISTOL ST PHILIP & JACOB
WITHOUT GLOUCESTERSHIRE
KELLY
JOHN M 8 GLOUCESTERSHIRE AVON SQUARE BRISTOL CLIFTON GLOUCESTERSHIRE
The
second John is too old, and the first is too young to match the death in Wales,
or the marriage certificate--however if he died among strangers in Wales, then
that age could be quite wrong. However, I think that the oldest one must be him
(would like to find the 1851 census for him), since only one born in Clifton
near the right age. 11 John Kellys of all ages in Gloucestershire at that time,
only two close to right age. Younger one shows up in later censuses. His father
is an engineer. Oddly, he has a sister name Rhoda, about the age of our Rhoda.
I wonder if the mothers were friends. Avon Square is where the Bowheys were
living at the time. Father is not born in the county, and is 35 at the time.
Father’s name is John Kelly 35 and Mother is Sarah, age 29, Children are
William 13, Charles 11, John 8, Selina, 6, Rhoda 3, and George 1. All children
born in county, parents not.
_________
Cert
ordered for Cornelius was wrong index entry:
Dear
Ms Goodfellow
Thank
you for your recent application for the Birth certificate of
Cornelius
Kelly.
The
reference supplied was 1859 Mar Bristol 6a 45.
Unfortunately,
this reference does not relate to an entry containing the
above
name(s). Our researchers have checked the indexes for the 1859 March
quarter
but found no trace of Cornelius Kelly. Therefore, we are unable
to
issue a certificate.
________
1851,
John is not in 1851 for Bristol as far as I can tell. Two siblings are living
in a large school:
Name:
George Kelly
Age:
10
__________________
Estimated
birth year: abt 1841
Relation:
Pupil
Household:
View other family members
Gender:
Male
Where
born: Bristol
Civil
parish: Bristol St Michael
County/Island:
Gloucestershire
Country:
England
Source
information: HO107/1951
Registration
district: Bristol
Sub-registration
district: St Augustine
ED,
institution, or vessel: 1e
Folio:
134
Page:
43 (click to see others on page)
Household
schedule number: 188
GSU
Number: 87351
George
Kelly abt 1841 Bristol Pupil Bristol St Michael Gloucestershire
Rhoda Kely abt 1838 Bristol Pupil Bristol St Michael Gloucestershire ----
Institution for the Deaf and Dumb, near Park Row. Interesting since John was
later listed as deaf and dumb in the census.
_________
In
the 1861 census, he is not listed as deaf and dumb.
________
I
think that this must be him in 1851 in Wales:
John
Kelly abt 1832 Bristol Diffton, Devon, England Lodger Bedwellty
Monmouthshire he is an iron miner, and is from Clifton.
View
Record Ann Parfit abt 1844 Banelty, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter
Bedwellty Monmouthshire
View
Record Elizabeth Parfit abt 1837 Banelty, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter
Bedwellty Monmouthshire
View
Record George Parfit abt 1811 Banelty, Monmouthshire, Wales Head
Bedwellty Monmouthshire
View
Record Jammie Parfit abt 1816 Banelty, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife
Bedwellty Monmouthshire
View
Record James Smith abt 1824 Stoke, Somerset, England Lodger Bedwellty
Monmouthshire
______
Sarah
remarried, according to contact from Genesreunited.com, and this is the family
in the 1851 census, badly transcribed by Ancestry.
Notes
for Rhoda BOWHEY
________________
IGI
gives death date of 1919 This is definitely wrong since she appears in the
1920 census for Tetonia Idaho. Her birth is not found in the civil registration
for Britain, which had only started the year before her birth, unless her name
is terribly misspelled. -- update-- she is registered as “Rhoda Bowen” . It is
clearly her however, since birthdate of Aug. 2 is same as she always used in
US, and parents’ names are right, except for the Bowen part. Also lived at
Whittakers Buildings, where family lived later.
Text
of cert:
“Second
of August, 1838 Whittaker’s buildings. Rhoda Girl (Father) John Bowen
(mother) Sarah Bowen formerly Rendles (Father’s occupation) mariner (signature
of informant) The mark X of Sarah Bowen Mother Whittaker’s Bldgs “
Couldn’t
find her original baptism date for the LDS baptism date. online.
THis
looks like it could be her, and it’s extracted:
_________Sources
for overland journey
Mormon
Pioneer Overland Travel, 1847–1868
William
S. Warren Company (1864)
Mormon
Pioneer Overland Travel, 1847–1868
Kelly,
Rhoda
Birth
Date:
Unknown
Death
Date:
Unknown
Gender:
Female
Age:
26
Company:
William
S. Warren Company (1864)
Sources
______________________
Her
first marriage is not at free BMD as of AUgust 2004
_________________
Name:
Thoda B. Holt
Birth
Date: 2 August 1840
Death
Date: 1 November 1920
Burial
Date: 6 November 1920
Cemetery:
Logan City Cemetery
Source:
Sexton / Grant
Grave
Location: A_ 30_ 32_ 7
Relatives:
Father John Bowen
Mother
Sarah Reynolds
This
is the location in the 1910 census, but image not available on ancestry.com
right now:
Name:
Rhoda
Holt
Age
in 1910:
69
Estimated
Birth Year:
1840
Home
in 1910:
1-WD
LOGAN, CACHE, Utah
Race:
White
Gender:
Female
Series:
T624
Roll:
1602
Part:
2
Page:
40B
Year:
1910
Cannot
find birth of children for rhoda and John Kelly in St. Andrews records
Rhoda’s
christening verified in film 1595556
She
gave her birth as Aug 2 1840 at wedding and that’s on her headstone, but christening
is definitely 1838. I bet that the birth was actually Aug 2, but it’s
impossible to know.
_________
From
Providence and her People:
“IN
Providence the grain-saving plan [the general RS plan to store wheat as a
safeguard against famine] was first put into effect in 1877. One record shows
that 71 women of the community donated 179 bushels of wheat that year; each
year thereafter additional amounts were added to the store. The biggest
doenationat the bieginning of the movement came from Rhoda Holt who donated ten
bushels of wheat. “
Almost
certainly this was an informal divorce from John Kelly. Divorce was expensive
and difficult to obtain at this time, and the records are now online for all
civil divorces in England and Wales at this time. Rhoda and John do not
appear.
(email
from me to others interested in Bowheys) “Today I got a chance to look at the
record I had found about Rhoda through an index to early Mormon pioneers that I
had been waiting for anxiously. I thought that maybe it would just be a
reference to her name, in someone else's history, but it was a little better
than that, not much better, but a little better. It turns out that these were
forms that the church handed out, apparently, in an attempt to get some
documentation of the early pioneers, whose records might have been lost. They
have been put into a little book, bound together with others from the same
area. In Rhoda's area, apparently the women must have done them in the women's
meeting, since there weren't any entries from men. Rhoda's was done in an
old-fashioned copperplate hand, but I think that someone else filled it out for
her. I just don't think that she was terrible literate, but I could be guessing
wrong. Anyway, Rhoda was not particularly talkative the day that she filled it
out. There wasn't a lot of room to write "Important Events", but
still others managed to squeeze in several paragraphs, and she just listed
things she had done with the church. Here's the entry, then my comments
(translations) below that:
From
Film #1033790 LDS Individual histories
"Rhoda
Bowhey Holt
Residence:
229 South Main Logan Utah
Born:
Bristol England 2 Aug 1840
Baptized:
1860
Married:
to Samuel Holt 1865 by H. C. Kimball
Endowed:
at Endowment House
Patrianchal
Blessing: by John Smith
Migrated:
from England to Utah Oct 1864
Vocation:
Housewife
height:
5 ‘ 4”
Weight:
140
Chest
size: 38
Color
of eyes: Brown
Color
of hair: grey
health:
good
Specially
interests: Church Work
Important
events: Pres of Primary Assistant for abt. 8 years
Counselor
in the RS for about 5 years
R
S teacher for about 10 years."
My
comments: There were other blanks that she didn't fill in, such as christening
date. I think that she probably was born on Aug. 2, 1838 and christened Aug.
19, 1838. Then she either forgot the year, or purposely shaved off a couple of
years when she came to the US. Also, she did not mention her first marriage,
although some of the other women's records listed two or three marriages. I
have tried to find her original LDS baptism record, but so far no luck. Most of
the time those are indexed in the IGI, but hers is not. Maybe those records
were lost, or maybe they just haven't been indexed yet. The reason that I think
she might not have been able to read or write well is that she does not have
dates for things like her marriage and baptism, but maybe I'm wrong. She
probably did need to read to do the church jobs she listed, so I don't know.
Also, I don't know the date of this record. It just wasn't dated. The man who
married Rhoda and Samuel was an extremely prominent man in pioneer Utah, and
was one of Brigham Young's closest advisors. The Endowment House, where they
were married, is no longer standing. It was in Salt Lake City, near where the
famous temple stands now. It was built as a temporary place for the kinds of
rituals that are now done in Mormon temples, which include marriage. As for
the "chest size" entry-- that is very funny. I suppose that this form
was meant for men. It's certainly not anything standard that the church keeps
track of. As for important events-- I wish that she had talked about crossing
the plains, or her emigration, but I suppose this is better than nothing.
"Primary" is the church organization for children, and RS is Relief
Society, the church organization for women. “
RHODA
Gender:
Feminine
Usage:
Biblical, English
Pronounced:
RO-da [key]
Extra
Info: Popularity, Namesakes
Options:
Contribute Information
Derived
from Greek rhodon meaning "rose". In the New Testament this name is
borne by a maid in the house of Mary the mother of John Mark
1861
census:
John
Kelly 1833 Bristol Clitton Head Llangattock Breconshire (Iron Baller)
Rhoda
Kelly 1839 Bristol Clitton Wife Llangattock Breconshire
Source
information: RG9/4217
Registration
district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration
district: Llangattock
ED,
institution, or vessel: 6
Folio:
80
Civil
Parish or Township: Llangattock
County/Island:
Breconshire
Country:
Wales
Address
is “North side of Kings Street” which is the street name given in the birth of
Robert Mathew.
This
stuff below is just notes that I made about the index references for births or
deaths that might possibly be her children.
_____
Rhoda
bowen-- Clifton 11 263 sept 1838
____
Kelly
Births in Crickhollow:
Births
Mar 1860
KELLY
Andrew Crickhowell 11b 131 Scan available - click to view
Births
Mar 1861
Kelly
Robert Mathew Crickhowell 11b 130 Scan available - click to view
Births
Dec 1862
KELLY
James Hy_um Crickhowell 11b 118
______
Deaths
Deaths
Dec 1857
Kelly
Anne Crickhowell 11b [79][79] Scan available - click to view
Deaths
Mar 1860
Kelly
John Crickhowell 11b 111
________
Tredegar
is in abergavenny registration district
Deaths
in Abergavenny:
Deaths
Sep 1857
Kelly
John Abergavenny 11a 31 Scan available - click to view
Kelly
Patrick Abergavenny 11a 61 Scan available - click to view
Deaths
Mar 1859
KELLY
Simon Abergavenny 11a 73
Births
in Abergavenny:
Births
Mar 1859
KELLY
John Abergavenny 11a 92 Scan available - click to view
Births
Mar 1860
KELLY
Hanorah Abergavenny 11a 109 Scan available - click to view
KELLY
Mary Abergavenny 11a 96 Scan available - click to view
Births
Mar 1861
Kelly
Thomas Abergavenny 11a 99 Scan available - click to view
Births
Mar 1862
KELLY
Mary Abergavenny 11a 47
____________
Bristol
births:
Births
Mar 1859
KELLY
Thomas Chepstow 11a [79] Scan available - click to view
KELLY
Cornelius Bristol 6a 45 Scan available - click to view
Births
Sep 1859
Kelly
Francis Clifton 6a 65 Scan available - click to view
Kelly
Mary Ellen Clifton 6a 101 Scan available - click to view
Births
Mar 1860
KELLY
Emily Margaret Bristol 6a 28 Scan available - click to view
Births
Jun 1860
KELLY
Elizabeth Martha Bristol 6a _2 Scan available - click to view
KELLY
Patrick Joseph Clifton 6a 97 Scan available - click to view
Births
Mar 1861
Kelly
Louisa Mary Ann Bristol 6a 56 Scan available - click to view
Kelly
William Clifton 6a 108
Bristol
deaths:
Deaths
Jun 1857
Kelly
Peter Cheltenham 6a 243 Scan available - click to view
Kelly
John Gloucester 6a 146 Scan available - click to view
Kelly
John Bristol 6a 34 Scan available - click to view
Deaths
Dec 1857
Kelly
Hester Clifton 6a 5[58] Scan available - click to view
ordered
certificate for Cornelius.-- turns out it was a transcription error, and it was
not Cornelius Kelly , but Kelore, and hence not ours.
Kelly
John Bristol 6a 14 Scan available - click to view
Deaths
Jun 1858
Kelly
Margaret Bristol 6a 38 Scan available - click to view
Deaths
Dec 1858
KELLY
James Bristol 6a 39 Scan available - click to view
KELLY
James Clifton 6a 57 Scan available - click to view
KELLY
John Bristol 6a 41 Scan available - click to view
KELLY
Mary Bristol 6a 48 Scan available - click to view
Deaths
Sep 1859
KELLY
Elizabeth Bristol 6a 18 Scan available - click to view
Deaths
Dec 1859
Kelly
Joseph Peter Clifton 6a 81 Scan available - click to view
Kelly
William Clifton 6a 291
________
OK,death
for Crickhollow turned out to be right. , well probably.
Here
are two best suspects for the births
Births
Mar 1859
KELLY
John Merthyr T 11a 356 ordered Sept 11, to be sent on the 16th.-- refund
given. Father’s name was not John. Could she have left off the father’s name?
Maybe should have put mother’s name.
KELLY
John Abergavenny 11a 92 ---- ordered this one. (this was not the correct
one.)
Ordered
this cert on Sept. 13, also:
Name
on
Certificate
Certificate
Type
Number of Certificates
Despatch
Date
(Est)
Customer
Ref
James
Hyrum Kelly E/W Birth 1 20 Sep 2005
Year
Qtr District Vol Page Reg Ent No DOR
1862
Dec Crickhowell 11b 118
A
Iram James death is registered in Bedwelty in 11a 81 1st quarter 1864
(should be despatched on the 27th of sept)--- cert came and it is not him,
should have tried looking for birth first.
rder
these: with ref checking for Rhoda’s name
Births
Mar 1860
KELLY
Andrew Crickhowell 11b 131 Scan available - click to view ---- this one
was refunded Sept 22 since mother’s name was not Rhoda
Births
Mar 1861
Kelly
Robert Mathew Crickhowell 11b 130 Ordered both should despatch 27 sept
--- his death is Crickhowell 11B 108 ordered this cert to get death info, to be
despatched Oct. 3
Ordered
the other John kelly death in Crickhowell, just to see.
Millville
ward records also have Rhoda’s birth as 184011
Millville
ward records say she was baptized 1860 by Bro. Goff
In
the 1900 census, Rhoda said that she was the mother of 12 children, six of whom
were living. So far, one of them is still unaccounted for.
No
sign of Rhoda or John in the Llanelly ward records for that time period, should
have been the Bryn Mawr area, 0104169
Rhoda
borrowed $69.30 from the PEF to come to the US. Ledger C337 Dec 31, 1864. For
some reason she was not charged interest and balance was the same in 1870, if I
am reading it correctly.
Notes
for John & Rhoda (Family)
Not
sure if they were really divorced. There is a death date here of 1861, but
can’t find him in the GRO index. Death of 1861 is not proven at all.
Nineteenth
April 1857 marriage solemnized at the Register Office in the District of
Bristol
John
Kelly/22 years / Bachelor/General laborer/ (residence at the time of marriage)
21 Philadelphia Street Bristol / Father John Kelly (deceased) Farmer
Rhoda
Bowhey /18 years / Spinster/ (no occupation)/ 21 Philadelphia Street Bristol/
Father John Bowhey (deceased) Master Mariner Witnesses were Hugh Smith and
Jemima Venn (last name is very hard to read, not sure what it is)
The
sealing in the IGI is incorrect, gives a name of Robert Kelly, when name is
definitely John, from the marriage Cert.
See
notes for John for census records for 1861. There is one entry in the Tredegar
Branch records of Wales, a Rhoda and John Kelly, no baptism or other info
listed. He is a fireman. It does not state what happened to Rhoda, but John
kelly was “Cut off for living an unjust life” about 1864. I’ve lost the notes,
somehow. But perhaps this was them, not far from Bristol, and she just left.
Notes
for John George (Child 1)
Birth
cert reads:
“Crickhowell
registration district 1858 Llangattock sub district County of Brecon
Entry
263 10 December 1858 Beaufort Hill name John George Kelly Boy father
John Kelly Mother Rhoda Kelly formerly Bowhey Occupation Iron Miner
information Rhoda Kelly Mother Beaufort Hill.”
His
death certificate reads, “ 15th March 1860 Boundary Street, Brynmawr, John
Kelly, Male 15 months, son of John Kelly Iron Baller, cause of death Scarlatina
29 days, Bronchitis, 11 days certified, informant Rhoda Kelly, present at the
death, Boundary Street, Brynmawr, registered 20 Mar 1860. District was
Crickhollow
Buried
in Bryn Mawr cemetery. Burial record reads #376 John Kelly, normal address
Brynmawr, place of death Bryn Mawr, age 15 months, date of death unknown,
Burial date 17.03.1860. Minister’s name unknown, grave section, consecrated
grave no 12-5-3
Notes
for Robert Mathew (Child 2)
Text
of cert says, “ Registration district Crickhowell, sub-district Llangattock in
the county of Brecknock [Brecknock is in Wales]”
Fifteenth
February 1861 Kingsstreet Brynmawr Robert Mathew boy father John Kelly mother
Rhoda Kelly formerly Bowhey occupation of father Fireman informant is John
Kelly Father King Street in Brynmawr.”
By
the census in April Robert Mathew is dead. Certificate has been ordered.
Text
of death cert says, “ Registration district Crickhowell, subdistrict
Llangattock, in the county of Brecon
number
239 26th Feb 1861 King Street Brynmawr Robert Matthew Kelly male 11 days son
of John Kelly Fireman cause of death atrophy certified, information X the mark
of Rhoda Kelly Present at the death King Street Brynmawr registered the 28
Feb. “
Notes
for James Hyrum (Child 3)
Crickhowell
registration district 1862 Llangattock sub district County of Brecon
entry
313 20 December 1862 Hatter Street Brynmawr name: James Hyrum boy father
John Kelly Mother Rhoda Kelly formerly Bowhey occupation Fireman informant
Rhoda Kelly Hatter Street Brynmawr
Have
not yet been able to find a death reference for him. Sept 26, 2005
Does
not appear in 1871 census.
I
cannot find him in the death registration, but I think that this second burial
here must have been him:
John
Kelly 15 1860 (no month) G12 R5 S3
James
Kelly 13m 1864 February ,, ,, ,,
That
is from the index to the Bryn Mawr city cemetery. Actually, this turned out
to not be the right child. The 1864 burial is an Iram James from Tredagar. I
had already bought that cert too, thinking that it was a mixup for Hyrum but
the parents’ names are different. OK, new thought here. I think it is actually
the right child. The John listed first checks out perfectly to be Rhoda and
John’s child, and they are buried in the same grave. The child in the second
grave must be the same one whose death cert I bought. Looking at it again, I
think it makes sense. Iram is a Welsh name, and when it was reported it was
probably a mishearing. This Iram James lived in Tredegar, and I know that at
some point, Rhoda and John also did-- I just don’t know the date they lived
there. Also, the father of Iram is JOhn Kelly Forge Labourer. Here is the info
from the burial:
Iram
James Kelly address Tredegar, place of death Tredegar, age 13 months (which
fits perfectly with the birth info) and date of death unknown. Burial date
15.2.1864 minister’s name unknown and section of ground consecrated. grave
number is 12 -5-3.
Death
cert reads 13 Feb 1864, Bridge Street Tredegar, Iram James Kelly, male 1 year
, son of John Kelly a forge labourer. pneumonia certified. John O’ Connell in
attendance, Bridge Street Tredegar.
Also,
there is not a civil registration for an Iram James Kelly in 1862. I think that
whoever John O’ Connell was, he just misinterpreted the name when he went to
register the death, or else the person registering the information didn’t
understand it.
Sources
1.
GEDCOM
mailed to me by Joan Gaskin, who is doing a one-name study of Bowheys in the UK
2.
“International
Genealogical Index,” Family History Library , 35 N West Temple Street Salt
Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.
3.
Marriage
Certificate now in my possession.
4.
“Ancestral
File (R) ,” The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints , Copyright (c)
1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998 , Family History Library , 35 N West
Temple Street Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.
5.
“Family
Genealogy Sheets in Possession of Paula J. GOodfellow .”
6.
St.
James church Clifton Bristol England, parish register on film 1595556
7.
Logan
City Cemetery Records, Logan Utah.
8.
Death
certificate in my possession.
9.
Birth
certificate in my possession
10.
death
certificate in my possession
11.
Millville
ward records, 215445
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